hiptomyjive replied to your post: MY favorite plot hole is Im pretty sure the graveyard isnt in Manhattan. You can see the skyline in the backround. So they cant be on the Island of Manhattan. I dont even think theyre in NY. From how the skyline is positioned it would appear that the graveyard is to the west of Manhattan. They arent in New York, theyre in Jersey… and the doctor didnt mention shit about there being too much time distortion in the dirty jerse
the paradox destroyed winter quay, so that timeline didnt happen. I just dont understand if the doctor cant visit or help because they are in NY but they arent?
Yeah, I’m not sure. Because Winter Quay might have been brought back because the headstone was still there at the end because that one Angel managed to survive. Either way, in both eventualities (Winter Quay existing at the beginning of the episode and Rory’s headstone being in NJ and then Winter Quay not existing and his headstone still being there at the end), how the heck did they end up being buried in NJ?
I don’t know how to explain any of it. There are SO many ways for the Doctor to go back and see them. UNLESS, Winter Quay was brought back when the Angel sent Rory and Amy back. If that’s the case, the Doctor would not be able to see them even if he traveled to NJ in the TARDIS and walked into NYC. Furthermore, the whole jumping off the roof and creating a paradox earlier on in the episode, not only saved Rory from dying alone and giving the Doctor one last chance to be with them, it served as a way of making Amy and Rory realize just how much they need and love each other and providing Amy with the strength she needed to say goodbye to her Raggedy Man and Melody.
And as nice and neat as that sounds in my head, it still doesn’t explain how River can just zap herself to see them (within that theory, she’d visit them in Winter Quay without the Doctor…who can’t?) and not get chased by Angels.
Unless she did evade them and visit her parents at least once or twice in Winter Quay and was, consequently, chased by Angels and that’s part of what was happening in the Crash of the Byzantium.
This is too much.
believeandhow asked: My biggest issue is, okay so the Doctor can't go to New York circa 1938. Well, there are planes and trains and boats, why can't the Ponds use any of those to get to I dunno, Philadelphia, or back to London, or ANYWHERE ELSE ON EARTH THAT THE DOCTOR IS ABLE TO VISIT. For that matter, what's keeping the Doctor from landing outside the city and then heading in with another method of transportation. And why can't River just use her vortex manipulator to get them out, ala Jack in S3. PLOT HOLES.
EXACTLY!!! Time and the TARDIS are not the only ways to travel! That’s my problem with it right now. Unless, Rory and Amy finally made the “Doctor or real life” decision and realized that if they left New York City, they would end up traveling with the Doctor again. Or, if Winter Quay is back and the Angels have Rory and Amy, they know they can’t get away, so they stay rather than run.
I don’t know why it is, but the more we see of Doctor/River, the more I feel nostalgic for Doctor/Rose.
I think I just miss the Doctor when he’s happy. My heart can take no more angst.